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Why Moyes doesn’t deserve a new contract
My views on David Moyes don’t endear me to a lot of Evertonians.
With less than 12 months to run on his current deal, lots of Blues are forecasting imminent doom if Moyes doesn’t renew his contract. I don’t share those fears and I certainly don’t believe Everton are seeing anything like ‘value for money’ from the 12th highest paid manager in WORLD football.
I’ve said this before but if he gets another 5 years on anything like the salary he’s on now then we may as well turn it in. We constantly hear that Everton are no longer an attractive option for good managers given the financial situation at the club. I recall similar cries of ‘who would want it?’ when Walter Smith was boring us all to tears. I would go as far as saying that attitude gave him another 18 months in the job.
We have won nothing in ten years. Moyes has embarrassed the club and its fans by sulking since January. Four seasons in a row we’ve been awful until Christmas. He hasn’t had a sniff of a ‘bigger job’. ‘Take a pay cut or do one’, would be my opening gambit.
How about seeing how Moyes does next season, and if he does well give him another year? Contrary to what some may say, there won’t be a queue of clubs beating our door down to take him off our hands.
It’s a well paid job in a league, rightly or wrongly, regarded as the best in the world.
I fully expect a backlash from the happy clappers, the people who read Bluekipper, wear a Fellaini wig and buy DVDs of us beating Liverpool.
How many other clubs and supporters would be fretting over the future of a man who has failed to put a single piece of silverware in the cupboard in the space of a decade and has choked every time he has got close?
Nil Seventh Nisi Optimum.
Brian Collins
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Give Moyes the resources and he will bring silverware.
Im certainly not a happy clapper, but I’d like you to make me a list of managers who you believe would accept the Everton job working under these constraints the board applies and do a better job?
I honestly don’t believe you’ll find a better manager than Moyes, even if he does piss us all off with his tactics/subs occasionally.
I dont believe you can judge Moyes with the lack of support and funds available to other managers.
Give Moyes serious financial backing and I would expect he could deliver silverware. If not, then ship him out. A lot rests with squad depth and resource, something we dont have in abundance. The problem is the board, not Moyes.
No trophies but there are VERY few who could have done a better job over the last ten years.
You say we don’t see value for money due to his salary but surely his salary is in no way directly linked to the quality of players on the pitch?
If you want to see value for money on the pitch you compare it with the size of the transfer kitty the manager has had to deal with. Moyes is not without fault but there are a lot worse. When Smith was in charge and there were cries of who would want it who did we get? An unproven young manager who was still cutting his teeth.
What people like you seem to forget is that before Moyes took over we had seen probably one top half finish in about 10-11 years. In the 10 full seasons he has had we have seen about seven. We had reached one cup final in about 13 years and from what I remember no other semi’s. Moyes has took us to a final, FA cup semi and league cup semi. we’d seen europe once in well over 10 years.
Moyes has had us there about 5 or 6 times, including champs league for first time. And why is it Moyes who has choked when getting near a trophy, I seem to remember against Chelsea it was Tony Hibbert, one of my favourite players incidentally so that was upsetting, who choked and got the curly finger at half time. The value for money Moyes provides is constant top 7-8 finishes with the transfer and wage budget of bottom 7-8 team. If that means him getting a decent salary I think he has earned it.
Moyes has good points and bad.
He has a good track record for finding budget priced bargains which has been vital given the board’s lack of support. But as Brian stated we have won nothing. Worse, the three occasions when we COULD have won something we choked: FA Cup final against Chelsea, an almost exact carbon copy FA Cup S/F against Liverpool and the Europa League tie against Sporting Lisbon. Every time it is the same story. An utterly defensive (negative) mind set, lack of ambition/belief and the grave mistake of trying to sit on a narrow one goal advantage, for which we have paid dearly. Different players were involved in those three matches, the main constant being Moyes and his ‘tactics’.
I am sorry to say that I have become convinced that we will never win anything as long as he is in charge. As to who we could persuade to take over, I must confess that I don’t really know, but unless this particular leopard CAN change his spots, we will continue to merely tread water.
Understand the frustration but we would have been relegated by now without DM. So hush up because the man doesn’t have half the money other managers get to spend. Blame the board for the lack of investment. He’s ambitious and the board doesn’t match his ambitions.
I would give Bilic a go if Moyes left.
The stability we have at the moment is a God send….no we’ve won nothing in 10 years but that’s life.
We aren’t a big club that’s a fact of life. Change of manager won’t change our financial situation in fact it’ll cost us more.
Not a massive Moyes fan but done a great job with most of the time limited resources lets not forget he’s broke r transfer record 4 seasons in a row. Time for a change in both boardroom & management though I think. Like the idea of no new contract till end of season might mean we start a bit better. New manager? Would of had Bilic
Poorly written article as there was no real depth regarding why Moyes shouldn’t stay, however I understand Brian’s point of view.
Everton fan base unfortunately aren’t the brightest bunch generally speaking, the average knuckle dragging xenophobic Bluekipper/nsno reader think Moyes and Kenwright are the second coming. More thoughtful fans remember Moyes holding the club to ransom over his contract as well as failing to build on his sucesses, however with Rodgers going to the RS and Everton being unable to afford a big name manager Moyes is the best option so he has to stay.
Give him proper money to spend, then we can judge how good he really is.
I’d give Moyes another 5 years just for the effort he has put into his first 10.
What I don’t understand is when people say who would come under the same restrictions?
I will tell you….PLENTY.
There are only a few clubs lashing around loads of money at the moment and the wages we are paying is one of the best.
Lets just see how Rodgers and Lambert get on in the promised land because the reason they got their jobs is that they are good at sniffing out a bargain.
David Moyes frustrates and delights in equal measure but what you cannot deny is that given the limited resources at his disposal, he has done incredibly well at bringing stability to our club. My biggest frustration with Moyes is how he has choked on the big occassion – the recent semi final being a excellent (yet unforgivable) example! That said, we simply do not have the funds to do anymore! On the point about poor starts, this is not rocket science to me. Our best run and form (when we reached 4th place) was built on an excellent pre-season when all our business was done early. For the past few seasons all our business has continued until the end of August which is simply appalling. The Board has to be clear on what funds are availalbe and Moyes needs to invest now. If we repeat previous year’s patterns then it will be another poor start again!!
I think most have already stated the obvious, in that no one else could have done a better job.
I love the man!
The problem with this club and its fan base is the whole school yard mentality of I am right you are wrong and neither side has the interest or the capacity to be willing to listen to a cogent argument.
All get together in the middle and come to the best solution for this football club and how we move it forward.
I am on the fence… I have said for a while everyone overrates him and he did well to get us from out of lower league positions but we still haven’t won anything for the duration of his stay and haven’t beat Liverpool at Anfield or United at OT.
If we knew we were definitely going to get investment some time soon I’d keep him because he deserves a go of a lot of money, but if not then i think his time may be up, ONLY if we can find a competent replacement.
We’re so skint at the minute that we can’t even afford free transfers due to wages and signing on fees. If you think there’s a manager close to the standard of Moyes who would take that job then you’re an idiot
Have you even considered that Moyes may not renew his contract due top lack of ambition by the board.
Listen to the people he works with everyday and even past players who have nothing but the utmost respect for the man.
You can only achieve so much with both hands tied behind your back.
It is just a pity that Kenwright and “friends of Everton” are not coming to the end of their contracts.
The man gave us stability and made us a hard team to beat. We haven’t won a trophy with Moyes yet but some so called bigger clubs haven’t had much success either.
There are some very good valid and negative points on here,I for one am a massive Moyes fan,Paul,you have hit the nail on the head with your comments.
Walter smith Nearly done a “Souness” with our club,spending Millions on crap and nearly finished players,Ok with Moyes it has took 10 years but,look at the average age of the squad now,if memory serves me right,it was nearly average age of 30,when he took oner,its near 25 now,Ferguson tooks a few years,Even are best manager Howard Kendall took a few years..So lets stick behind Moyes,because i really think if we can keep this squad together and add a few more players,we will be up there next season…COYB IMWT ETID!!!!
Good article. Overall I would have to say I am not his biggest fan. Yes he has had little money to spend and he has found great bargains with the likes of Cahill, Peinnar(!)Arteta, Jelavic and even the likes of Coleman. However it would be wrong to suggest he has never had money to spend. Like with most managers in this league he has the choice of selling to buy, a policy he has been reluctant to do. When it has been forced on him, ie Rooney and lescott forcing through transfers he has bought poorly. Beattie, Davis, Koldrup, Valente Van der Meyde, Wright, Bilyatedinov and to a lesser extent even Heitinga. Most managers have too sell to buy, look at Newcastle, up until the last two weeks of the season they had a great chance of still qualifying for the CL. There fans were furious with the sales of Carroll, Barton, Nolan and Enrique and the manager only recieving a fraction of the money raised to reinforce elsewhere, but Pardew had no problem whatsover. The club through the help of the likes of BlueKipper and NSNO have made us small time, becoming little old Everton and Moyes punching Everton above there weight,it has got to the point where failing miserably in a semi final is deemed success. His teams play well when there is no pressure. Lets remember we qualified for the CL with one of the lowest points total in its history, we could hardly win two games on the trot from the new year. Lets see how he does with the money from the inevitable sales of Fellaini, Cahill and Baines. Fails again then lets look elsewhere.
He will sign a deal if there’s clauses put in place, but like said its not like clubs are lining up for his services.
Just look at the recent managerial merry go round, Moyes was not even sniffed at…..
Anyway, the whole club needs a clear out as far as I`m concerned from top to bottom.
I’m neither pro nor anti Moyes. He’s the current manager of the club I love though and as long as he’s there, I’ll support him unless it becomes apparent he’s clueless, which, to be fair, I don’t think Moyes is.
To say Moyes hasn’t been succesful given his constraints is unfair, however, I agree that he HAS bottled it in several key games over his tenure. He’s fallable. Human. it’s frustrating but fine, that’s life.
Now what I will say is when Smith got the sack, I couldn’t have “put a list together” of people who could have improved on matters, because the situation looked bleak. But Moyes – who I certainly wasn’t thinking of – came in and did just that.
Now, the situation – for me – is only marginally less unattractive than it was. From a Club with a poor side, no money & constantly flirting with relegation, we’ve become a Club with a half decent (occasionally quite mediocre) side, no money & constantly flirting with Europe.
And everyone in football, from fans, to players, to managers, to chairmen, think they can do it better than the last man.
Some do. And some don’t.
Ten years ago someone took a chance on us when things were bleaker than they are now, because despite this club being in the knackers yard financially, we are still a great club & it is an honour to manage a club with so much tradition.
What I’m trying to say is who knows whether there’s better than Moyes available without taking a chance on someone unproven, like we did with Moyes in the first place?
Gareth How can you say Heitinga is a poor buy? Also while you say that Lescott forced through his transfer, you conveniently forget to mention that he was a Moyes signing who we, as a club made a massive profit on!!!
This article was written by someone lacks a basic understanding of the english game, that includes tacticts. David moyes this uncanny ability to get the best of average players an eye for bargain in the transfer market, plus is able to get the team to perform as a well balanced unit. I beleieve if it was not for good work ethic! we would be languishing in the lower divisions. so all hail moyes! and hears to another 10 years!….
Sorry didn’t conveniently forgot, of course he was a very good player especially the fact that he was sold at such profit. As for Heitinga, personally I believe he only settled last season, not really convincing at right back, defensive midfield or at centre back. How many stories did we read about Johnny and his bike going to whatever team was doing particularly well in Europe? I just felt with the money that he had available from the Lescott sale he could have used it better. We were desperate for another striker and right midfielder/winger instead he bought two defenders and Bilyatedinov, and then with the latter not having a clue where to play him.
When Redcrap seemed stitched on for the England job and Moyes was being linked as his replacement at Spurs I quite liked the chances of us attracting Martinez or even Rodgers. But the unsettling thing is that cock up Bill would just as likely go for a Curbishley or even god forbid Megson. So be careful for what you wish for.
If it had not been for Moyes our great club would have disintegrated years ago, he has brought a great stability & dignity to our club.
Yes it’s not good enough that we have to sell to buy or that we have to shop in the bargain basement but that’s not Moyes’ fault. Admittedly some of his signings have been useless but most have been a success in my opinion!
Yes its not always great to be a blue as we watch some drivel at Goodison sometimes but it sends a shiver down my spine when I think he might walk away at the end of next season! I dread to think where we’ll end up or who will replace him with!
In Moyes I Trust!
COYB’s
The ONLY clubs to be more successful in the last ten years have spent money and lots of it! And if you say a trophy is the mark of success ask Portsmouth and Birmingham fans which “success” they would prefer theirs or ours!
As an Evertonian for over 45 years who has seen some pretty poor managers in his time, to see such nonsense written about a man who has kept us in the Premiership and competing at a reasonable level despite working with a pitifully small budget compared to other clubs amazes me.
The last few months of the season saw us play some of the best football we have in many years.
Moyes is gutless. He won’t stand up to Kenwright and he won’t have a go at the top sides. I accept he’s done a reasonable job with the pathetic resources BK gives him,but he’s the one that keeps telling us he ‘wouldn’t swop BK for anyone else’ when BK has spent 10 years failing to deliver his many investment promises. If Moyes went I wouldn’t be losing any sleep over it. David Moyes doesn’t deliver success, he delivers slightly better than mediocrity.
I will praise Moyes for giving us back our dignity in the early years but the only records he’s broke is our biggest PL defeat, lowest ever points total, biggest defeats in Europe etc. I always believed in Nil Satis Nisi Optimum and he does not live up to that motto, and certainly not the ‘School of Science’. The man is too defensive minded hence the backroom staff; Round, Stubbs, Weir, Holden, Lumsden and himself. 5 defenders and a defensive midfielder. Ask yourselves this: why hasn’t any other club in the world tried to take him away from us in 10 years? He can’t be that good
Moyes is a decent manager with limited resources, give him talent or money and he can’t handle it. He throws a paddy and drops them if they don’t defend 90% of the game. Look at who we have spent decent money or were great talents and loom how many have flopped at us or flourished at others.
Bilyaletdinov 9mil
Beattie 6mil
Johnson 9mil
Yakubu 11mil
Drenthe loan but talented
Fernandes loan but talented
Barkley doesn’t play and most impressive player we have had since rooney.
Rooney “wasn’t ready”, 1st game in Champs League 2 months later, scores a hat trick.
We play horrid football until our season is over and moyes gives up so the lads go out and play how they want. Yes we need cash but if/when we get it we need a man who can spend it properly and manage talent!
In Moyes we trust…
Before he arrived we were flirting with relegation and haven’t won any silverware for a while anyway!!
Give him the financial resources and backing then we can judge. We struggle to compete with most premier clubs as the majority have a new stadium and spend far more than us on transfers.
It’s a fact Everton will never be a dominant force again unless we have a stadium with extra revenue to invest in the squad.
Well said Rob, DM is by far the best manager we have since HK. Stability is the key for any business to survive like it or not without DM we would have dropped into oblivion years ago.
Niall I’d hardly call Yak or Johnson flops, they both scored a lot of goals for us. As for being no use with money, how about Fellaini – the record signing. Michael, only records he has broke? Try highest PL finish, 3 x LMA manager of the year – no other manager has ever done that. Michael stanley, different players in the chelsea final than liverpool semi? I bet at least half the team, maybe more where the exact same players. As for captainferguson10 get off your high horse. knuckle dragging xenephobes? Who do you think you are? That is complete bull shit, I’m degree educated and I read blue kipper, same as I read the official site and a few other fanzine sites, simply because I’m interested in seeing different peoples opinions. You say he hasnt built on his success but how can he when the board didnt give him any cash to buy a player for 2 seasons, it was loans and freebies only. Then you say about Rodgers goin to liverpool (who you refer to as red shite so who has the knuckle dragging attitude now?) as though we have missed out on some great manager. If you really knew your football you would know at all his previous clubs where he implimented his own style he was basically a failure, got sacked from most of them and he only got success at Swansea because Roberto Martinez had put a great system in place which Rodgers was brought in to maintain, not stamp his own style on. Like everybody else you have seen one decent season from swansea and assumed Rodgers is some world beater of a manager becasue Leon Britton had a good pass success rate, if they are all 5 yard passes to your other centre mid what use is it? oh and gareth, who said failing miserably in the semi was deemed a success? In my opinion this season was decent but not successful.
We may not have won a trophy yet under moyes, but look at how many teams have and who they are since he has been in charge, its mostly United, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool, recently City have broke that and what do they all have in common – money. Even when pompey got their one FA cup in that time it was because they had a ‘wealthy’ owner (OK he turned out a bit of a fraud but he brought players in on big money at the time). You have to measure success relatively to the resources available.
Paul, congratulations on being ‘educated’ to degree level. However having an academic qualification and common sense are two separate entities, and frankly anyone with an ounce of common sense would see the likes of Kipper and nsno ‘generally’ promote xenophobic knuckle dragging ideologies. I take it you have never been to an away match Paul and have seen the disgusting sub-human behaviour from some of the aforementioned website followers, or waded into their sites and seen the garbage? As you proclaim intelligence for yourself then you should of researched first the charges labelled before typing away, maybe then you would of seen the truth of the matter! Regarding Moyes having not built upon success, after Champion league qualification Everton failed to build upon that. After two 5th place league finishes, Everton failed to build upon that, hence Moyes being the manager has to take some responsibility for that! Kenwright hasn’t helped Moyes much at all it’s true, but guess which websites support Mr Kenwright with resolute devotion? Lastly your interesting points about Brendan Rodgers, I never said he was a great manager did I Paul? However if you were bothered to read correctly what I actually said you would of seen I alluded to Rodgers being in a category of manager Everton can afford, as it’s highly unlikely a top manager like Mourinho would come to Everton now so stop being silly lad. And yes I called the RS the Red Shite because any true Evertonian would feel the same way about them, I make no apology for that! Surprising Paul, for such an educated man you really made a poor argument!
Pre-season friendlies against Motherwell, Morecombe, Dundee United and Rotherham highlight to me that Everton will be playing these teams regularly in the near future
Not a good omen for a once great team, now to languish amongst the deadbeats and has beens of the lower divisions of english football
By the way I haven’t watched Everton since Moyes took over a decade ago – Everton are worse now than ever before. How Moyes can keep a job for that length of time is beyond me – he’s not even that good and even with money, how do we know he’d be any better. Moyes is overrated and sadly sitting on the decline of a great club whilst earning a furtune. One of a group of managers like Pardew, Hughes, Alladyce and co who are devoid of any personality or true skill
It’s not Moyes that needs to fear for a top position in football,it is the like of Kenwright and is “hangers on”
They are the ones that need to be moved,why is it that they all hang on to there positions with Everton?for there own sake(and financial gain-please dont tell me its for the love of the club),if they loved the club as they say they do,they would move heaven and earth to obtain proper fundindg.
If DM does leave expect players to follow and then the club would be left in the hands of the incapable-and they would not give — if we were relegated.
Get a grip BK and Co.if you love the club please get out NOW…..
Sometimes things just have a habit of coming back and biting you on the arse.
I have never heard so much crap in my life were the hell did you find this Brian Collins charachter do you self a favour mate and stay on the wirral and support tranmere you idiot you know absoultley nothing about f,ball like the other idiots behind the Blue Union you read an article in the daily star an presume its fact let me remind you Brian, Moyes took over a club which had perenial battles with relegation slowly building his squad with young hungry quality signings and genrally lifted the expectaions of idiots like yourself who have short memories
@Jimmy Dingle – ‘By the way I haven’t watched Everton since Moyes took over a decade ago – Everton are worse now than ever before.’
If you haven’t watched them since he took over how can you possibly judge whether they are better or worse? You retard.