Blues hit the boos as Moyes gets it wrong again
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Fair assessment. Football fans want to be entertained. They want to feel good. Moyes seems to have forgotten that. What sums it up for me, is especially at Goodison you can hear Moyes shouting instructions to the players in real-time. It’s ridiculous though. Hearing a premiership manager, telling his players what to do in that way while they’re playing. Today I heard him say ‘try one-twos!’ when Hibbert and Pienaar got a bit congested on the right. He doesn’t prepare and trust the players to express themselves with skill and their own decisions. I do not hear Mourinho, Wenger or anyone else shout these sort of instructions. We have players like Rodwell, Pieenar and Arteta who do not need to be told who to pass to or to ‘run harder’ every single time the ball is near them. It’s embarrassing. The players should be trained to move the ball and to create and score goals before the match. We have some intelligent players but he is too scared to drop players. He waits for injuries or when it’s too late.
If it’s abotu entertainment, I would like to see Mucha take the jersey. I would like to see Fellaini and Rodwell in centre-midfield together. I would like Arteta or Cahill or Saha dropped if it’s not working out. It’s all just too random. We should have a strongest eleven now. We don’t. He should start with Coleman, Rodwell, Beckford. Predictably he will now drop Beckford for the next game.
Spot on again, Stav.
efc_victim, I agree with much of what you say. I’m not with you on Mucha though.
Tim Howard is a fantastic keeper and has been ultra-reliable during his time with us.
It’s easy to forget how delicate and crucial a position it is being goalkeeper, but I haven;t and I know that in Tim we have one of the best.
As for the rest, you are right. Nobody should be above being left out, and I want to see players out on the pitch playing with confidence and attacking intent.
Moyes is good at what Moyes does, and that is building teams that work hard and are hard to beat. Some of the points you highlight though are some of the reasons he is still miles behind the real elite managers.
To actually win things takes more than hard work, and i’m really not convinced that he has the other skills that are required.
It’s hard to say if anyone could do better, because one thing you cant argue with are DM’s signings.
Whether he is the man to get the best out of them though…i’m far from convinced.
Good report Staveros. Moyes was tactically clueless today, and he doesn’t know his best team. I also don’t think he has the first clue how to prepare a team for a good start to the season.
The only obvious candidate that I think could do better would be Harry Redknapp, but there’s no chance of that so I guess he’s no obvious candidate. Redknapp is hugely underrated and would be the perfect England manager. Without money to spend we wouldn’t be able to attract managers better than Moyes now anyway. Moyes is going nowhere but it’s frustrating at the moment. Last season when we went out of Europe, it was disgusting to see the ‘because we let in a goal late we’re screwed’ attitude when we had a lead going into the game. Things like that irk me big time. I do not think Howard is one of the best, there was admittedly a period a couple of seasons ago where he was rushing off his line and really keeping the defence on their toes, but I do not rate him that highly when it comes down to goalkeeping skills alone. He may not make obvious mistakes but a lot of goals that go in, I feel a better goalkeeper would have made a save on. From what I’ve seen of Mucha he is a good goalkeeper and a winner. By the time he gets in the team he will be so drained from being out of the team and on edge and one mistake he’ll be out. Howard may not ‘deserve’ to be dropped for obvious reasons but I don’t see the harm in seeing if Mucha start a few games soon, same as I don’t see the harm in trying Fellaini/Rodwell in a 4-4-2 and Coleman & Baines together more often in the side, which would give us more attacking options in reality and during the 90 minutes that are most important.
Yeah yeah. Last week is was all about how Neville, Osman, Saha and Fellaini all shouldn’t start and about how Pienaar was looking extremely poor. Fast forward 7 days. None of the above start and Pienaar is removed from the left and it’s still wrong. You say Bily should have come off on 70 minutes and not Beckford. 12 minutes later Bily comer off yet you still refer to it as baffeling.
And for the last time. YOU DON’T EVEN KNOW WHETHER COLEMAN CAN DEFEND!!
Beano, I think you need to have a lie down. You clearly don’t understand what has been said. I don’t doubt that you’ve read it, it’s just a bit over your head. You saw the name “Bily” and “baffling” in the same sentence….and made the rest up in your own head.
Not in my head at all and you know it. You describe the action as the game was “drifting away” from us and described the substitusions (one of which was taking Bily off) as “baffeling” having critised Moyes for not taking him off 12 minutes earlier. You have a grudge with Moyes. You could at least be consistent in implementing it. Not just with the Bily substitution but also with points made about team selection last weekend about Moyes having his favorites like Osman, Fellaini, Saha etc that he won’t drop from a starting lineup no matter what (according to you). He proved you wrong today but you’re not big enough to admit it.
Don’t get me wrong. There’s certain things Moyes does that I wouldn’t do. But that’s ok. There never has been a manager that’s done the same as I would do and there never will be. So I’m at peace with it. Peace!
So even though you have gone back over it Beano, and it makes no sense…you can’t see where you have gone wrong?? Taking Bily off wasn’t baffling at all, it was the players he brought on, given the other options available, that was baffling.
It’s quite obvious mate, a decent clue is that nobody else has mentioned it. It’s because they obviously have a modicum of common sense…do try and keep up.
Ill hold my hands up and say thats quite a fair review of the game , I do think though that Lee Mason had more of an impact on the game than many realise , Bad refs ruin games. For the 2nd game in a row , we were the better team but come awau with less than we deserved and where Im disappointed with Moyes here is why oh why is Jack Rodwell not involved , I can understand him sheltering Coleman .. not Jack who has more ability in his big toe than most on the pitch today , the game was crying out for him in the 2nd half
i agree we dont no what are best team is but why go to germany to play the best pre season game last you lose like we did and i think we lose conferdence
Osman was the only player on the bench who plays in a wide position. Who else was Moyes gonna bring on to play wide right? No matter who it was, you’d be critising it and don’t say you wouldn’t.
Or maybe you think Fellaini shouldn’t have come on? But in the 10 minutes he played, he did very well. But you won’t mention that will you?
I notice you haven’t even made any attempt to address any other point I’ve made. Instead, you can continue to deflect attention by picking out one pedantic thing and rambling on about it.
How typical, a poor performance and the bitter opposition fan comes along and suggests that Wolves ‘bullied’ Everton. Boo friggin’ hoo, since when were we in the playground?
Pull your head out your arse and stop assuming you know what Wolves’ tactics are going to be just because a few fouls are thrown in. I’ll give you that you were lucky not to get a penalty in the lead up to the goal, but I bet you creamed your pants when you realised you had a valid reason to whinge at the ref.
By the way, did your blinkered vision also miss Cahill’s persistent diving, and his blatant foul on Craddock right before he scored?
Beano…Magaye Gueye doesn’t play wide does he not? I think you’ll find that he does.
Also, I don’t know if you remember Mikel Arteta’s goal at Man City last season, but if you did you might recall the man rampaging down the right hand side, showing power, pace, athleticism…and skill, as he Cruyff turned into the area….was Jack Rodwell.
We know beyond all doubt that Leon Osman is quite simply utter shite when played wide right…so why persist with it? It’s idiotic.
Sorry for my poor english, but since I’m living in Norway i don’t use english to often.
That said, I can’t help thinking your article have some kinda agenda against Moyes. For instince you mention the run from Beckford right before he was taken off. You use this action in a positive way for Beckford a player you obiovous hold in high regards. But you forgot that on this counter attack, he should have looked up and pass the ball to Heitnga who was clear on goal. Instead he went for the glory and lost the ball to the Wolves defender. A costly mistake in my point of view, and I cant help thinken that if it was Saha og Yakubu the outcome would have been different.
But I agree with you on one level. Rodwell should have occupied the right flank. But I’dont think that was reason we didn’t won the game.
Excellent report Stav, Beano why come on this website if all you want to do is look for arguments? Stav was only reflecting on what a lot of blues feel. Why not create your own website and write your tinted views on that? We have been poor against Blackburn and Wolves and it is all Moyes fault. He can no longer blame injuries when he only has Victor missing. Rodwell has to start soon because he can sit on the Utd or Chelsea bench for a lot more money. Gueye played very well in Oz, yet he hasn’t had a kick yet and Beckford has only ever played alongside another striker not on his own. Moyes is struggling to have a plan A at the moment never mind a plan B. Unless Villa have a new manager by next week that lifts the whole club, we can safely go there and give them a hiding with the right team following there hiding by the Skunks. Hopefully Moyes is a little more creative in midweek and we get a morale boosting win against Huddersfield.
To say howard is a fantastic keeper is fucking laughable!
ferguson does NOT get shut of fantastic players!!
Good point Tony….so why the fuck is pip the pointer our club captain and an absolute stick on inclusion when he’s fit??
Whilst I agree with the majority of what you say in the article, I have to strongly disagree with your perceived negativity at the end. I was present at both Wolves and Blackburn, with the former being the much more annoying result even though we gained one more point from it and yes they were poor performances but please remember we’re only 2 games in. You’re right on saying judging by the evidence but there isn’t any to suggest that’s there’s anything to worry about. You could stick the Shrewsbury team out there, tell them to make 2 banks of 4 and smother us and they’d restrict our nice footballing style as well,it’s so difficult to play against that. Arsenal struggle and their the best in the league at it. And the best thing is, when we try a ‘plan-B’ which you say we lack, the crowd moan that we’re playing it long!
Also, Ashley Young is the most predictable player in the league and secondly, Hibbert, defensively is one of the best which is why he continues to be selected. So you saying that should be fun is not an opinion at all, but just plain wrong.
Sorry Adam, can’t go along with any of that. You are not seriously trying to excuse such shit performances as the last two by blaming the opposition for playing ‘hard to beat’, are you? Who do you think you are, Arsene Wenger? Maybe if the manager was a little more creative in the transfer market, and actually realised what he hasn’t in 8 years – that we are desperately short of any pace or dribbling ability – then we would have more options for opening up these types of opposition??
As it is, we move the ball far too slowly and we are far too predictable in our approach.
When you then throw in that he doesn’t even have the bottle to play the exciting young players that we DO have…how can we expect anything else?
I’m sorry pal, but i’m tired of hearing such shite nonsensical excuses. The negativity we face is nothing compared to that the real top sides face, yet they still manage to get through it.
This is one of the reasons I have always found the ‘Moyes for United’ stories hilarious. He is so A,B,C it’s untrue.
i have been to both games yes i am disappointed by the performances
but i find it ridiculas to blame moyes tactics regardles of what he tells these players to do, too many players are out of form
if you look at the amount of possession we have had in these 2 games without being creative i think that indicates poor form more than a tactics issue there is no spark at the moment
i do agree the manager needs to grow some balls were certain players are concerned (Arteta/Neville/Cahill) personally i would of sold Arteta he is the most overated inconsistant players we have ever had i would bench the 3 of them as for the goalkeeper the lad has done nothing wrong to be dropped
i get the impression some of our supporters want moyes out well who do you replace him with ? who wants the job that offers 1.million and a few cobwebs for a transfer kitty ? i’ll tell you who !! Hasbeens (gary megson) and untried managers who will need 8 years to build just like Moyes has.. last season we beat chelsea man utd mancity under moyes tactics so to all the knee jerkers go the doctors you might have motor neurone disease
Stav, you will have ask our manager that one,because i cant fathom that one out either?
There are no easy teams anymore Staveros. I take your point and maybe it’s annoyance talking but I find it incredible how you blame Moyes for that performance yesterday. We were brilliant in the first half and did create chances that we should have put away. Is it Moyes’ fault that Bily blazed over and in the second half air-kicked it? no. The players just seemingly stopped playing in the second half. I’ll say it again, we’re TWO GAMES into the season. Newcastle win 6-0 today and play absolutely brilliantly, doesn’t change the fact that they’re relegation candidates, no matter what their deluded fans believe.
Did it ever occur to you that our so-called lack of creativity in the transfer market is because Moyes clearly diverted transfer funds towards new contracts, i.e Baines, Rodwell and Arteta all getting significant pay-rises and bonuses? So where is the money going to come from for this pace that we ‘need’? We’d have bought Donovan if we had the money, Moyes said that we can’t afford him, ala he wanted him but we couldn’t get him. I think we’ll loan him again in January. Even Everton have more than £1.4 million in transfer funds….
Of course they get through it, that’s why they come top and not 6th, 5th, 5th and 8th the past 4 seasons. We created yesterday against 2 banks of 4 but didn’t put our chances away. There’s no easy games in the premier league anymore. There were before but not now, everyone has international players playing for them and when we play two games where their sole tactic is to kick us off the park, that’s difficult to play against.
I was just as pissed off as you and 36,000 other Blues’ fans yesterday but I’ll choose to be optimistic and back Moyes, and not overly criticise and quite frankly, talk absolutely bahollocks.
Sorry Adam, I have no idea what game you watched or where you are coming from. If you think we were ‘brilliant’ in the first half, I would have to question your wider understanding of football, and also ask if you have a serious lack of perspective.
The keeper made one solitary save, from Heitinga’s long ranger. Aside from that we created jack shit. That isn’t ‘brilliant’ by any stretch of the imagination. We were undoubtedly the better team in the first half, but yet again we struggled to create anything. As I said in the report, Bily’s swingers were nothing more than half-chances, so to say he ‘blazed over’, as if he should have scored, is misleading at best.
As for the rest, we all know the financial situation. Currently though, I personally feel that we are overloaded in certain areas, whilst ridiculously thin on the ground in others. The manager needs to be more creative, and I think he has been VERY poor this summer.
If he is going to persist with Distin instead of Heitinga, that means we have Heitinga, Fellaini, Rodwell, Neville, Arteta, Osman and possibly even Cahill competing for 2 central midfield slots.
We don’t need all those players.
Whilst at the same time, we have fucking nobody who looks even remotely capable of being effective on the right hand side.
If Bily isn’t up to the job – bearing in mind he cost £10m – then who’s fault is that, if not the manager??
Or maybe you consider him to be our EIGHTH central midfield player???
We need a forward and we need a right sided player, with genuine pace, DESPERATELY.
If Jack Rodwell isn’t going to play, why on earth didn’t we take £20m for him – which there is zero doubt one of the big boys will pay – and use that money to strengthen other areas.
Either we are a big club with big ideas and we can afford to add to our squad without selling…or we aren’t.
I can guess what you will say from the way you have come off in your earlier posts, you will say “we need to show we aren’t a selling club, Rodwell is the future” yada yada, am I right??
Well, let me tell you…the future is all good and well, but what about the now??
If we don’t sort out the here and now, players like Rodwell will not wish to continue their careers with us in the future in any case, so what are we really achieving??
I am extremely disappointed in Moyes, he seems to have lost his way completely.
As fans we can all see the shortcomings of this team and to sit there and ignore them is frankly ridiculous.
If we need to sell to buy then that is exactly what we should do.
We aren’t in a position to carry the numbers I have just highlighted in one position and leave ourselves desperately short in others, it’s ridiculous.
In central midfield we are a champions league team, on the right hand side we are a championSHIP team.
You need to stop making excuses Adam and look at what we could achieve if the manager got his arse into gear, because we are not very far away at all.
Moyes will never drop Cahill and he picks a team and system to suit him. We should drop Cahill and play 4-4-2 at home and maybe play him away againest the top four! Tim’s past his best and most of the prem know his game now. He’s no striker and not good enough for midfield he’s a great squad player though and he’s 1005 effort!!! bring him off the bench if we need him.Moyes seems to close to his players now and is not ruthless enough. keeping faith in Saha…etc
Tim Cahill is one of the best players at EFC, and is a natural member of the starting eleven. To drop him out for Beckford is just silly talking. As Staveros wrote in his last frustrating note, we got to many players who works best as a central midfielder. Heitinga, Arteta, Cahill, Fallaini, Rodwell, Osman, Billy and even Neville fits in that category. Thus we need a player who can complete the team on the right flank. In todays squad I believe Vic would have played in that position if he was fit, but since he’s injuried Moyes has so far used Osman and Pienaar in that position with limited sucess. Personally I hope to se either Rodwell or Coleman in that position, and hopefully Moyes comes to the same conclusion when he picks his team for the Villa match.
So cheer up! If we take three points in the next match we are not that far away.
Tend to agree that we have ample middle men and not enough width. Its been apparent since before and after Donovan’s stay. But as we remain piss poor and have to sell to buy then who – Pienaar (can we really afford to hold on and let him go for free)?